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  • nixstor
    07-04 08:56 PM
    Excellent analysis but it does have flaws


    The recent report to congress, the ombudsman scolded the CIS left and right for its inefficiency and highlighted how many EB visas were lost for ever, in last 10 years despite the very heavy demand for employment based green cards. Based on his report, both CIS and DOS try to obey the direction of ombudsman and modifying the 485 adjudication procedure. The reason for loss of EB visas in previous years not only due to inefficiency in processing the 485s on time, it is also due to lengthy background check delay by FBI, where USCIS has no control. For example, in 2003 they could approve about 64,000 485s only. It is partially due to USCIS inefficiency and partially due to lengthy FBI check. There are 300,000 (AOS+ Naturalization applicants) cases are pending with FBI for name check. Out of which, about 70,000 cases are pending more than 2 years. Out of 300,000 victims of name check delay, how many are really threat to the country? Perhaps none or may be few! Remember that lot of Indians also victims of name check and all the victims of name check delay already living in USA.


    We all understand this and what you are saying, But What is in law is more important than OB's recommendations. First of all the office of OB might not have recommended to pass on any name checks. It might have advised to some how expedite them. More over, I dont think that they take the annual report seriously. We know how many times DOS officials and USCIS officials testify before congress. Why don't they tell congress that in order to clear backlogs

    a) They need FBI to expedite name checks (they might have testified about this)
    b) They need to recapture visa numbers (AFAIK, they never did this because your case is not pending unless you filed for AOS/485. We are not a part of the back log)

    Their biggest problem now is if all of us file for 485, we will continue to be the back log for ever on the back of USCIS for ages to come unless recapture occurs. What ever be the number 200K or 700K, they simply dont want it.



    The big problem is the timing when USCIS takes the visa number for a 485 applicant. Till 1982, INS took visa number for a 485 applicant as soon as they receive the application. Visa number assigned to a 485 applicant without processing his/her application. He/She may not be a qualified applicant to approve 485. Still they assign to them. If they found, the applicant is ineligible, they suppose to return the number back to DOS. However, this practice was modified after 1982. USCIS is taking visa number only at the time of approval of 485, after processing the 485 for a lengthy period. For some people, particularly victims of name check, 485 processing time vary between 2 to 5 years. Though, it is a good practice it is not the ideal or efficient process, due to name check delay. Let us assume about 150,000 are victim of name check in 2003. If they assigned all the numbers to these 150,000 applicants at the time they filed 485, the 88,000 visa numbers might have not been lost in 2003. Now what happens, those who filed 485 in 2003 (victim of name check delay) will take EB numbers from 2007 or 2008 quota, if FBI clears his/her file in 2007 or 2008. This will push back those who are going to file 485 in 2007 or 2008.

    I am sure you might have read this from murthy's website (http://www.murthy.com/news/n_dosebn.html) or not, but DOS/CA/VO officials shared this piece with them. As per the above article, final quarter quota should not open until Jul 2nd. I understand that agencies can implement and interpret certain stuff, but you cannot interpret and implement one thing on Jun 13th and another on Jul 2nd. If its written into law, that the quarterly allocation is a must, USCIS is in violation and DOS/CA/VO as well for not policing them of visa number usage.


    That why, ombudsman in his 2007 yearly report to Congress recommended to practice the old way of assigning visa number to 485 applicants, to minimize the loss of visa numbers.

    Understood, if they can clear 60K cases in 18 days, I doubt they will have any issues clearing them in 90 days. It goes back to the point of us becoming the biggest hump on USCIS


    There is nothing wrong with DOS to make all categories “current” for a July bulletin as per they definition of demand vs supply estimation to meet the numerical limitations per year. Perhaps the DOS did not aware of other impact of making all categories “current” ie fresh guys entering into I-485 race. Because of “current” there will be additional tons and tons of new filings. The rough estimation is about 500K to 700K new 485s and same amount of EAD and AP applications will be filed in July. But the available number is just 60K, and there are already 40K documentarily qualified 485s are pending more than 6 months to 3 years to take the numbers from remaining 60K pool. That leaves just 20K to fresh 485 filings. If 700K new 485 filed in July, it will choke the system. People have to live only in EAD and AP for next 5 to 10 years.

    For example, an EB3-Indian whose LC approved through fast PERM on July 30th 2007, can apply 140 and 485 on July 31st 2007 as per July visa bulletin. For his PD, it will take another 10 years for the approval of 485. During this 10 year period, he/she has to live in EAD and AP and need to go for finger print every 15 month.

    Therefore by making “current” for all EB categories is a billion dollar mistake by both DOS and CIS first part.. Another mistake is timing of rectifying mistake. USCIS and DOS and law firms should have discussed immediately about the potential chaos about making current and rectified move the cut-off to reasonable period to accommodate additional 20K 485s. If they modified the VB, with in couple of days after July 13, then there wont be a this much stress, time and wastage of money.

    There is nothing wrong in issuing additional advisory notice or modified visa bulletin to control the usage of visa numbers. The only mistake both USCIS and DOS is made is the timing of issuance of modified visa bulletin or advisory notice. It indicates poor transparency in the system and bad customer service. Now, they used all 140K visas this year. Assigning remaining 20K visa numbers to already pending 485s which are not yet documentarily (name check delayed cases) qualified is not the violation of law. It was old practice. In fact, ombudsman recommends it. They have the trump card which is Ombudsman report and recommendations. Therefore they are immune to lawsuit. Therefore, filing the law-suit is not going to help. The only two mistakes I see is 1) making all categories as “current” in June 13 and second is modifying VB only on July 2.

    I think we all agree that there was no need to make every category current given that we know how many will become eligible for 485 filing. How ever, The OB's office will be pretty pissed if they use him as the trump card. Also, I got the annual report from OB's office in email on Jun 12th 07. VB came out on 14th? What you are saying is USCIS has worked over night to analyze OB's report or they had access to OB's report 15-20 days ahead. Everything points to me that there was a lack of communication between the two agencies on an issue with huge stakes.

    My recommendation is to IV is capitalize the situation in constructive way. Law suit only bring media attention with the expense of money and time. The constructive approach is getting an immediate interim relief by legislation to recapture unused visas in previous years to balance the supply vs demand difference.

    We need to do both as the success is not guaranteed in either situation. I do not know if AILF will win the law suit. On the other side, Senators like Kennedy who control immigration issues will not give a damn in the current situation. If the issue gets to a point where USCIS & DOS officials testify before congress, the root problem will be solved. If we just win the lawsuit and get in, USCIS is only going to sulk us for 10 years in the name of security check.In the end, We should be able to portray the whole situation as if USCIS has been put in a ugly predicament to utilize visa numbers under the arcane laws. Bashing DOS & USCIS left and right now is not of any use in the long run.





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  • retrohatao
    02-16 10:11 AM
    willgetgc2005,
    I aggree totally. This forum somehow started with a lukewarm response to the issue. Two things come to my mind.
    1. The folks are not aware of the issue (or)
    2. Most of the folks are just at the first stage of the process and think that retrogression is the only bottleneck.

    Please add this as the one of the hot issues to help one and all.





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  • Macaca
    09-20 08:47 AM
    Look, legal immigration is not just restricted to employment based immigration, it includes family based immigration.

    In addition to family based immigration, legal immigration includes asylum, refugees (with a special category for Iraqi refugees) and may be more!





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  • yabadaba
    03-04 12:34 PM
    Those were different times. Try taking mortgage now on your EAD.
    Here are my particulars:
    Family income: Almost 4-5 times per capital GDP
    Job type: Stable
    Credit score : Excellent
    Highest education: MBA
    Willing to put downpayment: Yes, required 20%
    Mortgage application: Rejected as EAD is valid for only one year.

    Now you tell me what should I do...
    shop around...talk to different lenders....there are many of them that understand that the ead is renewable. its up to u as a consumer how to make ur case.



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  • Abhinaym
    08-11 10:13 AM
    It's out now EB2 I and C are 08JAN05.

    Visa Bulletin September 2009 (http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4558.html)





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  • RNGC
    09-19 03:48 PM
    I checked LIV.org, this domain name is available for sale....we need to see if we can get this.....



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  • Madhuri
    07-05 01:24 PM
    Exactly! Sooner or later free riders will realize and join.
    Those who care about IV efforts ,who care about themselves and GC will definitely join and those who wanted this site to be non paid will realize and will also join as paid members later on.





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  • saveimmigration
    01-16 09:29 PM
    GC process is like a monkey on the shoulder. You only realize when he gets off, that how much burden you were carrying all along.



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  • webm
    03-19 03:52 PM
    May be I am not aware, say the dates move to 2005, then whoever has a PD till 2005 and has a pending 485, is bound to get GC approved,


    Approval depends on luck again as you know sometimes they follow random process and by that time dates can go back or stand still or fwd..no wonders anything can happen..





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  • NKR
    02-17 09:05 AM
    2006 census


    Total population of India,china, mexico and Philipines = about 40 % of world population

    India - 17% of world Population
    China- 20% of world population
    Mexico- 1.7
    Phillipines-1.3 %
    ------------
    Ttl 40 % of world population.

    so theres a reason behind this quota. Its not divide and rule.

    Excluding US (4.3) , ICMP Still comprise of 35.7 % of world total

    I do not think that quota system is because these countries are most populous. It is because more number of people from those countries come here. I am sure countries like Indonesia and Russia are more populous than Phillipines.



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  • GCKaIntezar
    01-30 03:15 PM
    See attached. Added my comments. Please feel free to add/modify.

    I suggest that keep it 1 page long only.





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  • indio0617
    11-20 09:20 AM
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  • desi3933
    01-31 06:00 PM
    desi3933,

    Please correct me if I'm wrong but after reading this thread and from what I know ,what I understand is:

    From the time one applies 485 we should have W2 amount close to what is mentioned in LC.
    There is nothing like out of status thing from the time we apply for 485.

    But from the last entry to US on non-immigrant visa to the date of applying 485 once should be in status and if they are out of status for less than 180 days it is considered ok.

    My question is how do we show we were in status from the last entry to U.S on non-immigrant visa to the date 485 was filed ?
    Will the W2 be sufficient or do we have to show our monthly pay stubs.
    You mentioned in your 'Pandit' example about the H1 LC amount...how do we know what our H1 LCA amount is?

    I would highly appreciate response.Thank you.

    >> how do we know what our H1 LCA amount is?
    Your employer should provide you a copy of LCA for H1. In addition, your employment letter should mention salary, along with employment terms, and job profile.

    ____________________
    Not a legal advice.
    US Citizen of Indian Origin





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  • needhelp!
    11-14 01:34 PM
    Couple of days back I got the receipt. I'll post the number soon.

    Number of members participating in this is too few. We can rest assured there will be no "updates" from IV core if we don't act.

    Only few members have posted about getting the receipt:
    NRC2008063282
    Nrc2008063641
    Nrc2008063622
    Nrc2008063600
    NRC 2008 063585
    Openarms
    nc14
    nirenjoshi
    Nrc2008064184
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  • abhijitp
    07-25 05:14 PM
    This is not new but only Lawyers and the employers who filed your GC knows what position and job duties on which they applied your GC.
    Position and job duties on which they applied your GC = whatever they said in your PERM/ labor cert application. If they make a change to that during the I-140 or I-485 stage, that itself will lead to RFE, if not to rejection! Some of us may not have the copy of the labor cert/PERM approval, but if so, one should try to look for the form that you (hopefully) reviewed during the first stage. For PERM this is ETA form 9089.





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  • coopheal
    11-11 08:32 AM
    If we are in sinking boat then lets sink rather than try to survive.

    Guy is telling lets try to survive. Lets try.... Its far from success but towards it.

    IV Core any updates?



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  • Abhinaym
    09-10 10:42 AM
    It seems I don't have the number of posts necessary to log in. Is there anyway I can just view the live updates?





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  • senthil1
    06-13 02:08 PM
    If the restrictions in H1b comes then I may be impacted also many of my friends and relatives may be impacted. For our personal lives H1b and green card are important if we want to stay in USA. My point is if congress make sure that if I or you will not take any eligible US persons job in USA that is acceptable for me. That will make sure everyone happy

    Anyhow we will see what next for CIR and we will do more analysis when it comes.


    Senthil1, Pineapple

    Please let us not sound harsh and have a bipartisan :D discussion. It is just my statement I do not disagree with neither of you.

    Rule 2
    You mean Microsoft and Google and other companies want to stop outsourcing. They would not have build a huge team in india if they wanted to do this. The point that you are missing is that they need H1-Bs here because no american born is availabe here to fill those positions.

    Read my statement thoroughly.
    Big consulting companies(Bearing point....my list will go on) that are plenty in the US who hire and fire H1-B and american born if they cannot find another client for them after few days.

    What will happen to these companies .. they have to shut down

    Rule 2 will be a disaster for all these companies.
    These companies do not go to india to get H1-B's they get them when they come here brought by india Desi companies.

    It will be a mess. You might be talking about one company that will never displace and american and will garauntee an employee that he will never be fired once hired : Give me a break.





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  • Canadian_Dream
    11-17 06:00 PM
    Yes as long as you have an approved I-140 you can continue to extend H1B beyond 6 years.
    The issue is not the extensions, but changing the job when you are on one of these extensions. This issue has been raised numerous times in the forums but so far things are still very murky, esp pertaining to the following:

    1. What happens to your H1B status after you change your job, and then your previous employer revokes your I-140. ( To subsitute labor for someone else or simply as a matter of corporate proceudre)

    2. Is your H1B status depend on the I-140 on which the extension is granted ?

    So far these questions aren't answered clearly by lawyers or USCIS or folks in these forums. I hope it gets clarfied soon, becasue implications of the above cases could be as far reaching as being "out of status".


    What do you mean by "Most people have run out of H1B and will have to change jobs on the extensions"? I thought that as long as you have a approved I-140, you could continue to extend your H1-B beyond the 6 years while you are waiting for your PD to be current. Isn't this true? Please explain.





    whitecollarslave
    01-18 01:36 PM
    Talking about ID cards, wouldn't a driver's license be a proof of legal stay? With the new rules they check for immigration status before issuing a drivers license. People who are tourists or visitors will not have a US state issued drivers license.

    In my case, my driver's license is valid till my H1 validity.





    GCOP
    10-15 03:25 PM
    We are trying to achieve our objective for our Freedom by Getting Greencards. Many of us experience that, we are not totally free to change the job evenif there is AC21 provision. We also do not have same privileges as US Permanent Resident. Ask the people, many of them have been turned down the Loans. Quoting my own example, my son is not eligible for College Federal Education Grants (FAFSA and PELL Grant) eventhough we have been paying all the taxes since 8 years. Even I cannot get a Private Loan for him, as we do not have Greencards. So by all means, we are feeling helplessness , because of not having Greencard. I support the idea of ItIsNotFunny. He should not be criticized for taking initiative or just for suggesting. We cannot succeed in getting any Legislation passed, is a different issue But We should always try. Who knows, we may find ourselves successful in one of our attempts.



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