Dhundhun
08-08 04:57 PM
My kids aged out. Is there any way they can take benefit of my immigration based on my PD? Otherwise, how can they benefit?
My daughter turns 21 in 2003
PD 03/10/2005
My son turns 21 in Apr 2005
I140 filed Oct 2006, approved Sep 2007
I485 Applied in Aug 2007
Thanks in anticipation.
--dhundhun
My daughter turns 21 in 2003
PD 03/10/2005
My son turns 21 in Apr 2005
I140 filed Oct 2006, approved Sep 2007
I485 Applied in Aug 2007
Thanks in anticipation.
--dhundhun
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logiclife
05-10 05:04 PM
I am talking from a broad perspective, not IV's goals.
IV never had a goal of asking for a points-based canadian model of EB immigration or asking for self-petition system where EB applicants apply for greencards independent of employer. Even if we want and ask for it, it would never happen - for the very reasons I mentioned above. Firstly it would oversupply the workforce with people who may or may not fill jobs and secondly the protection of native-born cannot be achieved without employer-petition that involved labor cert.
So politically, its almost impossible to get rid of employer-petition for all EB applicants. Maybe STEM/PH.D etc candidates will get a shot at such a provision in near future, but not everyone.
And like I said, the current system has its problems but point-based self petition is not the answer. And we are not singing a new tune. We are working hard beyond our capacities to get the same amendments introduced again that were introduced on April 7th by Senators Brownback, Alexander and Bingaman.
IV never had a goal of asking for a points-based canadian model of EB immigration or asking for self-petition system where EB applicants apply for greencards independent of employer. Even if we want and ask for it, it would never happen - for the very reasons I mentioned above. Firstly it would oversupply the workforce with people who may or may not fill jobs and secondly the protection of native-born cannot be achieved without employer-petition that involved labor cert.
So politically, its almost impossible to get rid of employer-petition for all EB applicants. Maybe STEM/PH.D etc candidates will get a shot at such a provision in near future, but not everyone.
And like I said, the current system has its problems but point-based self petition is not the answer. And we are not singing a new tune. We are working hard beyond our capacities to get the same amendments introduced again that were introduced on April 7th by Senators Brownback, Alexander and Bingaman.
lazycis
02-13 09:06 AM
I agree that quota system is cumbersome. It would've been much easier just to have one bucket. But I fail to see how it is discriminatory when every coutry gets an equal piece of the pie. It is a classic supply and demand issue, but it's not a discrimination. Consider also the fact that GC is a grace not a right. "Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own?"
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ns007
03-16 12:52 PM
If the prior experience was related to your field, then I don't see why not. You may want to hurry because if USIS comes with 45-day labor expiration rule soon (which they may), you may not be able to use the prior approved labor.
hi All,
Can someone give me advice on this:
I have 4 yrs Bachelors + 6.5 yrs of IT exp. i am being offered a Pre- approved labor(EB3-PD-Nov.2003), which was filed for someone with a condition-Bachelors + 4 years exp., at the time of filing.
i graduated in June 2000, so i am about 1 year short for the 2003 PD. However i did some part time work during college in India and the lawyer says if i can get exp. letter from that company on a letter head, that should suffice.
i am concerned if that India exp. during graduation will work or not.
Has anyone faced a situation like this?
the (part time exp)company was very small, can this be risky? what do you guys think?
Thanks.
hi All,
Can someone give me advice on this:
I have 4 yrs Bachelors + 6.5 yrs of IT exp. i am being offered a Pre- approved labor(EB3-PD-Nov.2003), which was filed for someone with a condition-Bachelors + 4 years exp., at the time of filing.
i graduated in June 2000, so i am about 1 year short for the 2003 PD. However i did some part time work during college in India and the lawyer says if i can get exp. letter from that company on a letter head, that should suffice.
i am concerned if that India exp. during graduation will work or not.
Has anyone faced a situation like this?
the (part time exp)company was very small, can this be risky? what do you guys think?
Thanks.
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Macaca
07-04 09:23 AM
Originally Posted by Macaca ( add ons from forum in red)
I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...
I meant a scan of the other 100 page thread Breaking news. I did not follow that thread and it has lot of issues. Please summarize issues mentioned in Breaking News thread here.
I will add issues from this thread! thanks
I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...
I meant a scan of the other 100 page thread Breaking news. I did not follow that thread and it has lot of issues. Please summarize issues mentioned in Breaking News thread here.
I will add issues from this thread! thanks
ramus
07-04 11:13 AM
Cost = 800 (Medical for 2 persons- Average) + 1000 (attorney fees- doesn't matter who pays- company or you) + 30 (photos) + 100( Postage) + 100(others)
Total = 2000 average . I am not adding application fess since USCIS will send it back if they don't process the application.
Out of 2000 - Medical is only valid for 1 year. In most of cases you will have to pay attorney again. All you can use is photos. I will say everybody atleast lost 1800 ( This is very minimum - also doesn't matter who pays- company or you).
So lets say everybody lost 1800. Now depend how many people were ready to file the application..
Please post good reliable estimate of cost for applying with ALL possible break ups. I know the following only!
Cost of applying = application fee ($795 ??) + Lawyer fee + others (= medical + pictures + ...)
Also, which parts are lost if we have to re-apply!
Total = 2000 average . I am not adding application fess since USCIS will send it back if they don't process the application.
Out of 2000 - Medical is only valid for 1 year. In most of cases you will have to pay attorney again. All you can use is photos. I will say everybody atleast lost 1800 ( This is very minimum - also doesn't matter who pays- company or you).
So lets say everybody lost 1800. Now depend how many people were ready to file the application..
Please post good reliable estimate of cost for applying with ALL possible break ups. I know the following only!
Cost of applying = application fee ($795 ??) + Lawyer fee + others (= medical + pictures + ...)
Also, which parts are lost if we have to re-apply!
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immi_seeker
09-17 01:13 PM
I wish your prediction is correct, but do you think the spill over happens from the first quarter,
As per the trend, we are seeing the spill over only in the last quarter from last two years.
Assume the spill over happens only in last quarter. Then for the first quarter EB2I will only have 3000/4 = 750 visas. This is equilent to 300 Eb2I applications. We all know that there are atleast 300 applications easily remaining in 2004 itself. If that was the case why didnt the dates retrogress in oct VB as everyone predicted?
As per the trend, we are seeing the spill over only in the last quarter from last two years.
Assume the spill over happens only in last quarter. Then for the first quarter EB2I will only have 3000/4 = 750 visas. This is equilent to 300 Eb2I applications. We all know that there are atleast 300 applications easily remaining in 2004 itself. If that was the case why didnt the dates retrogress in oct VB as everyone predicted?
2010 Radcliffe says no.
Canuck
02-14 01:10 PM
I understand the mood among fellow Indians , due to substantial dates movement for ROW but it dint move enough for India. Lets take the high road and stop bickering among ourselves and lets get back to the Action Item which needs to be done.
You are assuming of course that all those who fall in the India category are Indians - I am not. I'm a Canadian who happened to be born in India and thus fall into that same bucket. My fellow Canadians who were born in Canada and are now in the US all support me in the removal of per country limits. Let us be more accurate and refer to this as the "mood amongst fellow Indian-born applicants", as opposed to "fellow Indians".
You are assuming of course that all those who fall in the India category are Indians - I am not. I'm a Canadian who happened to be born in India and thus fall into that same bucket. My fellow Canadians who were born in Canada and are now in the US all support me in the removal of per country limits. Let us be more accurate and refer to this as the "mood amongst fellow Indian-born applicants", as opposed to "fellow Indians".
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eb3_nepa
06-26 01:29 PM
Logiclife,
All I am saying is, the DOS or USCIS can be unpredictible at times. I know TECHNICALLY there is NO way the July bulletin can retrogress IN JULY. However I would NOT be surprised if that happens. Coz this suddenly creates a FLOOD of Ead applications and AP applications not to mention Finger printing.
All I am saying is, the DOS or USCIS can be unpredictible at times. I know TECHNICALLY there is NO way the July bulletin can retrogress IN JULY. However I would NOT be surprised if that happens. Coz this suddenly creates a FLOOD of Ead applications and AP applications not to mention Finger printing.
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saketh555
09-15 06:08 PM
I guess the priority dates for EB2 will hoover around 2nd Q of 2005. I came to this assumption after seeing mass approvals of 04 applications, looks like they are cleaning all 04 applications:rolleyes:.
Can't really guess EB3, not even GOD.
Can't really guess EB3, not even GOD.
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FinalGC
07-22 02:14 PM
My experience with amway - Very close friend of mine joined amway once he came to US, and within a few weeks, tried it on me. And at the end, he branded me as closed minded person when I said no many times. Forgot the 4 year friendship and never called me for the past 7 years. Oh well, my wife keeps telling me, those who don't understand us cannot be good friends. And after seven years, I agree...
Dude:
I had a similar experience. One of my closest friends helped me come to US. We both were in school doing our MBA and there we both attended this new intriguing seminar to do business. Amazingly I stopped and he went on with it, unfortunately all I can say is I lost my good friend to Amway.
He asked me why i was not interested, i said the complete motive of this business is to make money and nothing else, which I have a difficulty in doing. Yes, I want to work to make money and take joy in my work , but not just work for money....
He became angry with me, after that and ever since never connected back. Recently he connected with me on Facebook, but that too looked like a cold contact......Yes it is true you loose friends through Amway.
Dude:
I had a similar experience. One of my closest friends helped me come to US. We both were in school doing our MBA and there we both attended this new intriguing seminar to do business. Amazingly I stopped and he went on with it, unfortunately all I can say is I lost my good friend to Amway.
He asked me why i was not interested, i said the complete motive of this business is to make money and nothing else, which I have a difficulty in doing. Yes, I want to work to make money and take joy in my work , but not just work for money....
He became angry with me, after that and ever since never connected back. Recently he connected with me on Facebook, but that too looked like a cold contact......Yes it is true you loose friends through Amway.
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gcpool
10-18 03:09 PM
Say even if you get the canadian PR, you have to pay tax's close to 45%.
Medical is free but unless you are really sick or anticipate being sick, I think its not much of value. And if you are in a decent comp in the US you get almost free care.
Also the job senario is not as good as its in the US. I heard its a lot more harder to get a job in Canada. Yes its true with PR you can work anywhere but how many of us will do that.
In fact one of my friend told me the cost of living is higher there.
I maybe naive and have limited knowledge about Canada, but from the above observations I think one will be disappointed to go to Canada from US.
Medical is free but unless you are really sick or anticipate being sick, I think its not much of value. And if you are in a decent comp in the US you get almost free care.
Also the job senario is not as good as its in the US. I heard its a lot more harder to get a job in Canada. Yes its true with PR you can work anywhere but how many of us will do that.
In fact one of my friend told me the cost of living is higher there.
I maybe naive and have limited knowledge about Canada, but from the above observations I think one will be disappointed to go to Canada from US.
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belmontboy
08-15 04:17 PM
Welcome to our troubles Mr SRK.
Nobody cared for hapless NRI's all these days.
One fine day, Mr SRK gets the treatment, and suddenly everybody starts jumping.
Nice to see every Brown skinned being treated the same way.
Nobody cared for hapless NRI's all these days.
One fine day, Mr SRK gets the treatment, and suddenly everybody starts jumping.
Nice to see every Brown skinned being treated the same way.
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ganguteli
06-02 03:58 PM
I am the one , who proposed this idea, and people tend to disagree.
I am again saying , the only solution is a lawsuit.
I am sure once you take a lead and file it yourself many will agree with you then. People will know it is not just talk and posts but you mean it.
I am again saying , the only solution is a lawsuit.
I am sure once you take a lead and file it yourself many will agree with you then. People will know it is not just talk and posts but you mean it.
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TeddyKoochu
01-15 03:01 PM
I thought the same way as you did too. I am no fan of these job shop companies but remember some one will pay the price and face hardships I hope its just those companies not the employees. But the way things are if this gets effective employees can also get into a limbo - which I dont like - like say someone has gone for visa stamping and that gets denied or worst his/her family is still in the US - or something like that. Its true that the employee should try and look for a new job opportunity meeting new regulations but its not easy as it sounds.
More important point to consider is that new rules/regulations the way I understand it were suddenly implemented mid-stream - you cant do that. What if in after some time they apply same regulations to say people on EAD and using AC21 (i am still not clear whether it already applies to EAD we will have to wait for legal experts to comment) ? Or worse yet they come up with new regulations for people who already have their GC's approved ?
cinqsit
In Para 1, I think you have answered your own dilemma. With due respect and regard to all nobody is a fan of consulting companies except for maybe themselves, but many good and well qualified people work for them for various reasons as some of the posters have summarized most important one being the Green card. The current memo is almost like a notice to gradually shut shop for them, it impacts not only the company but the employee and his / her family. If somebody has to return because of a re-definition of "Employer/Employee" then it�s a really bad thing to happen, in this case the ship will sink with all on board.
In Para 2, I believe again you are right, low hanging fruits and easy soft targets are the first to be picked up. I think more enforcement would follow, I think it started with issuing RFE's for end client letters(This is a mandatory requirement now for consulting companies). You are correct in saying that the target audience might be the next level!
The entire memo is disastrous for the entire immigrant community waiting for GC. Worst of are the people who have to file their extensions soon or have to travel.
More important point to consider is that new rules/regulations the way I understand it were suddenly implemented mid-stream - you cant do that. What if in after some time they apply same regulations to say people on EAD and using AC21 (i am still not clear whether it already applies to EAD we will have to wait for legal experts to comment) ? Or worse yet they come up with new regulations for people who already have their GC's approved ?
cinqsit
In Para 1, I think you have answered your own dilemma. With due respect and regard to all nobody is a fan of consulting companies except for maybe themselves, but many good and well qualified people work for them for various reasons as some of the posters have summarized most important one being the Green card. The current memo is almost like a notice to gradually shut shop for them, it impacts not only the company but the employee and his / her family. If somebody has to return because of a re-definition of "Employer/Employee" then it�s a really bad thing to happen, in this case the ship will sink with all on board.
In Para 2, I believe again you are right, low hanging fruits and easy soft targets are the first to be picked up. I think more enforcement would follow, I think it started with issuing RFE's for end client letters(This is a mandatory requirement now for consulting companies). You are correct in saying that the target audience might be the next level!
The entire memo is disastrous for the entire immigrant community waiting for GC. Worst of are the people who have to file their extensions soon or have to travel.
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hiralal
06-02 10:16 PM
DO i = 1 to Infinity:
discuss /* lawsuits, letter campaign etc etc */.
discuss some more.
pessimists dismiss everything. /* start again */
End.
That's all that we do ...the same points again and again ...members get bored and they leave ..if only we were to start having numerous small campaigns !!! at the very least there would be some enthusiasm ..well maybe one day wishes will come true :rolleyes:
for every good point there are 100 naysayers, cynics and pessimists !!
discuss /* lawsuits, letter campaign etc etc */.
discuss some more.
pessimists dismiss everything. /* start again */
End.
That's all that we do ...the same points again and again ...members get bored and they leave ..if only we were to start having numerous small campaigns !!! at the very least there would be some enthusiasm ..well maybe one day wishes will come true :rolleyes:
for every good point there are 100 naysayers, cynics and pessimists !!
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kumarc123
07-24 12:32 PM
Well since the start of this thread and ones before this thread focused on the dates for EB2 India. A lot of speculations were drawn, some members like vldrao and others put in a lot of thought and work to reach a significant analysis.
But let's not dwell in to the dates only.
We have certain bills in the house, no recent posts have been developed to discuss about campaigns. We got this far because of all our joint efforts. So let us not pause ourselves right here, now that EB2 dates are getting close to being current, let us all make loud noise to galvanize USCIS members to work more effectively.
Speculations at this point are excellent, but lets work towards the bigger picture.
Thanks
But let's not dwell in to the dates only.
We have certain bills in the house, no recent posts have been developed to discuss about campaigns. We got this far because of all our joint efforts. So let us not pause ourselves right here, now that EB2 dates are getting close to being current, let us all make loud noise to galvanize USCIS members to work more effectively.
Speculations at this point are excellent, but lets work towards the bigger picture.
Thanks
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msp1976
02-13 02:50 PM
I don't think so. 7% limit has been there for a very long time. Unused visas from prior years for ac21 purposes were still subject to 7% in current year. The 7% rule was unchanged.
It seems that you think that the unused visas from prior year were not subject to 7%. There is nothing of the sort that allows this.
Refer to this text.....
http://www.fourmilab.ch/uscode/8usc/www/t8-12-II-I-1152.html#_a_
TITLE 8, CHAPTER 12, SUBCHAPTER II, Part I, Sec. 1152.
Look at paragraph a(5)
(5) Rules for employment-based immigrants
(A) Employment-based immigrants not subject to per country
limitation if additional visas available
If the total number of visas available under paragraph (1), (2), (3), (4), or (5) of section 1153(b) of this title for a calendar quarter exceeds the number of qualified immigrants who may otherwise be issued such visas, the visas made available under that paragraph shall be issued without regard to the numerical limitation under paragraph (2) of this subsection during the remainder of the calendar quarter.
(B) Limiting fall across for certain countries subject to
subsection (e) of this section
In the case of a foreign state or dependent area to which subsection (e) of this section applies, if the total number of visas issued under section 1153(b) of this title exceeds the maximum number of visas that may be made available to immigrants of the state or area under section 1153(b) of this title consistent with subsection (e) of this section (determined without regard to this paragraph), in applying subsection (e) of this section all visas shall be deemed to have been required for the classes of aliens specified in section 1153(b) of this title.
This is the section that allows for the 7% cap to be violated in case additional visas are available.................
This is the one many anti immigrant people tried to get removed again and again......
USCIS did not do anything wrong in 2005 nor in 2006.....By allocating additional visas to India/China USCIS did not do anything wrong...You can sue them ....USCIS has good grounds to defend their position.....You would not get anywhere...
It seems that you think that the unused visas from prior year were not subject to 7%. There is nothing of the sort that allows this.
Refer to this text.....
http://www.fourmilab.ch/uscode/8usc/www/t8-12-II-I-1152.html#_a_
TITLE 8, CHAPTER 12, SUBCHAPTER II, Part I, Sec. 1152.
Look at paragraph a(5)
(5) Rules for employment-based immigrants
(A) Employment-based immigrants not subject to per country
limitation if additional visas available
If the total number of visas available under paragraph (1), (2), (3), (4), or (5) of section 1153(b) of this title for a calendar quarter exceeds the number of qualified immigrants who may otherwise be issued such visas, the visas made available under that paragraph shall be issued without regard to the numerical limitation under paragraph (2) of this subsection during the remainder of the calendar quarter.
(B) Limiting fall across for certain countries subject to
subsection (e) of this section
In the case of a foreign state or dependent area to which subsection (e) of this section applies, if the total number of visas issued under section 1153(b) of this title exceeds the maximum number of visas that may be made available to immigrants of the state or area under section 1153(b) of this title consistent with subsection (e) of this section (determined without regard to this paragraph), in applying subsection (e) of this section all visas shall be deemed to have been required for the classes of aliens specified in section 1153(b) of this title.
This is the section that allows for the 7% cap to be violated in case additional visas are available.................
This is the one many anti immigrant people tried to get removed again and again......
USCIS did not do anything wrong in 2005 nor in 2006.....By allocating additional visas to India/China USCIS did not do anything wrong...You can sue them ....USCIS has good grounds to defend their position.....You would not get anywhere...
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jkays94
05-25 12:08 PM
I heard that if you apply on your own and move out of US, it becomes very difficult to let the Can immigration authority about your current location and keep track of all the correspondence with them. But, the agency/lawyer does this thing very efficiantly. Any opinion on this ?
You can update your address online through the e-client tool. The only issue might be that your case may be transferred to a consulate location closer to you.
http://services3.cic.gc.ca/ecas/ECAS.jsp?language=english&page=ECAS.jsp
You can update your address online through the e-client tool. The only issue might be that your case may be transferred to a consulate location closer to you.
http://services3.cic.gc.ca/ecas/ECAS.jsp?language=english&page=ECAS.jsp
GooblyWoobly
07-25 03:52 AM
VDLRAO - You brought lot of valid points which supported by authentic statistics. But surprisingly Ron�s comment about the Aug bulletin is totally vague. You can throw the numbers to prove your claim but I don�t think Ron really has any such numerical explanation for his statement.
With all due respect, I beg to differ from Ron (probably for the first time).
Lawyers are what they are, lawyers. They won't be able to crunch numbers as well as folks in this group. The problem was, previously there wasn't much data to crunch. With that available, I'd take folks like Ron/Oh's comments and predictions with a pinch of salt, and concentrate on vdlrao's predictions.
Sometimes, numbers won't allow us to predict correctly, as USCIS also has limited ability to crunch numbers properly. However, at those times, all the bets are off.
With all due respect, I beg to differ from Ron (probably for the first time).
Lawyers are what they are, lawyers. They won't be able to crunch numbers as well as folks in this group. The problem was, previously there wasn't much data to crunch. With that available, I'd take folks like Ron/Oh's comments and predictions with a pinch of salt, and concentrate on vdlrao's predictions.
Sometimes, numbers won't allow us to predict correctly, as USCIS also has limited ability to crunch numbers properly. However, at those times, all the bets are off.
WeldonSprings
09-15 04:36 PM
Hello Sachug 22,
Where are you getting numbers for EB2 India for 2005 to be 10000, when total labor approved for 2005 were just 6133 (for all countries).
Thanks,
WeldonSprings.
2004 2000
2005 10000
2006 13000
2007(july) 5000
Here are my Estimate of pending EB2 India case for give years
<=2004 2000
2005 10000
2006 13000
2007(july) 5000
==============
Total 30000
==============
This number is very close to Ron Gocthers number prediction a few months back (minus sept approvals).
Collaboration on visa quota data/analysis - Page 6 - Immigration Information Discussion Forum (http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/general-immigration-questions/8419-collaboration-on-visa-quota-data-analysis-6.html)
Pending as of 15 July 2009 145000
EB2 50000
EB3 94000
EB2India (2.4/3.5 EB2) 35714
We can use the LCA number and come close these numbers as well
2005
EB2 India LCA for 2005 = RIR (3000) + PERM (60% of 7290) ~ 7400
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 5900
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 13000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 5% cross-charageability we get => pending 10000 pending I-485 application for 2005
2006
India PERM applications = 18000
EB2 India PERM applications (60%) = 10800
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 8640
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 19000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 10% cross-charageability we get => pending 13000 pending I-485 application for 2006
So if we see spillover of more than 30K the date will move beyond July 2007.
Where are you getting numbers for EB2 India for 2005 to be 10000, when total labor approved for 2005 were just 6133 (for all countries).
Thanks,
WeldonSprings.
2004 2000
2005 10000
2006 13000
2007(july) 5000
Here are my Estimate of pending EB2 India case for give years
<=2004 2000
2005 10000
2006 13000
2007(july) 5000
==============
Total 30000
==============
This number is very close to Ron Gocthers number prediction a few months back (minus sept approvals).
Collaboration on visa quota data/analysis - Page 6 - Immigration Information Discussion Forum (http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/general-immigration-questions/8419-collaboration-on-visa-quota-data-analysis-6.html)
Pending as of 15 July 2009 145000
EB2 50000
EB3 94000
EB2India (2.4/3.5 EB2) 35714
We can use the LCA number and come close these numbers as well
2005
EB2 India LCA for 2005 = RIR (3000) + PERM (60% of 7290) ~ 7400
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 5900
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 13000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 5% cross-charageability we get => pending 10000 pending I-485 application for 2005
2006
India PERM applications = 18000
EB2 India PERM applications (60%) = 10800
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 8640
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 19000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 10% cross-charageability we get => pending 13000 pending I-485 application for 2006
So if we see spillover of more than 30K the date will move beyond July 2007.
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