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  • abhijitp
    02-12 06:36 PM
    No matter which side you are on, the quota system sucks. Period.

    1) Once you start receiving benefits out of being born in a particular country/ race/ sex/ religion, a notion of "entitlement" quickly builds up within you. This adversely affects your ability to perform, for you just don't have to work hard enough!
    2) If you are punished for being born in a particular country/ race/ sex/ religion, you have no incentive to perform, as you won't get what you deserve no matter how hard you work!

    How about this... during every Olympics, most number of Gold Medals are won by Americans. Now imagine a rule that prevents more than 7% of all Gold Medals going to people born in any one country. How does that sound?

    I will myself hate it if athletes from India (who haven't won anything in the Olympics till date) started winning gold medals simply because other countries cannot receive more than 7%!

    Of course, removing country caps will face opposition, but it should still happen, just because it is the right thing!





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  • samay
    07-14 06:37 AM
    Hi,
    My appeal against EB2 I140 denial on Chartered Accountant degree issue was recently turned down by AAO. Can I any how contest this decision further without getting my employer involved. They are not interested in pursuing this further. Can I file any type of appeal before BAI or any other court on personal basis ?
    Thanks.

    NO because I-140 is essentially an employers application.





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  • a_yaja
    07-21 02:58 PM
    I have come across quite a few of the Amway/ Quickstart folks. Like most of the people have described here, they usually approach me in Walmart, Meijer, etc. My first experience was in the temple. This dude and his wife went "oh wow! you know so many languages." After talking to the dude, he said that he knew some of my childhood friends and he remembered my face and that we could have possibly played cricket together in our childhood days (this itself should have raised red flags - but I was naive then and didn't think twice). Long story short, we exchanged phone #s and next day he called me and asked me to meet him at his home. He was running an "ecomm business" and was looking for partners. I asked him if he was talking about Amway and he innocently asked me "What is Amway?" I agreed to meet him but something bothered me. I called up another childhood friend who was in Amway and asked him about this dude. Sure enough he was an Amway-ite and already a "Diamond". I was mad and did not go to his house. He called me a couple of times but I never picked up the phone.

    That encounter was a bitter experience for me and I decided that I will not entertain any more desis who do cold contacts. However, soon I forgot all about him and I had 2 or 3 more such "cold" contacts (it took me about 3 more experiences to realize the Amyay "cold" contact pattern). I decided that enough was enough. From then on if a desi approached me in any of the stores and decided to do a "cold" contact, I would be on my guard. I would not become angry or irritated (after all they are humans too and they are just doing what they believe will give them a better life) - I would just steer the conversation to what I would like to do in my life. I would spin some yarn about how I am really happy volunteering to help kids in 1st and 2nd grade improve their English reading skills (which I really did) or how I liked taking part in the local community college's adult literacy program (helping adults prepare for GEDs, etc - again which is something I do). I would then go on and become philosophical about how these days everyone is after money and think about money all the time and how this is creating a very unhealthy state of mind, especially among Indians. I would make sure to tell the person that I would not like to go down that path and being a pious Hindu, my goal is to attain Moksha by leading a simple life.

    By this time if the dude has not run away from me, I will ask him what his objectives are. Usually they say that they can understand where I am coming from and congratulate me for all my community service (I am rolling all over the place in my head - but somehow keep a straight face). One guy even went so far as to tell me that he is on the other end of the spectrum and he gives away a lot of money in charity. He even told me that I should consider going that route as well. After the meeting, I call up my Amway friend and ask him if XYZ is in Amway and the answer has always been yes.
    Inspite of all this if the dude asks for my phone number (and this has happened once), I come up with the story that I forgot to bring my cell phone and proceed to give the person the phone # of the local pharmacy. I also suggest that he give a "missed call" (again rolled all over the place in my head when he gave a missed call) so that I can note down his # when I go home.
    I just had to get this off my chest when I saw the Amway thread. Hopefully others can also turn a potentially unpleasant situation into a pleasant situation and have fun at some other person's expense.





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  • pappu
    06-15 12:35 PM
    I believe in luck in the GC process. Before 2005 PERM process, many folks applied in states where Labor was fast. They were able to get greencards within a couple of years while others were stuck in Labor Backlog centers (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=67&Itemid=50). Some cleared all hurdles and got stuck in namechecks for years. Until 2007 Namecheck was a big scare. (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=81&Itemid=61)

    Many people could not file in July 07 for various reasons. Some people were born in India but were brought up in other country. Even they are stuck. Some people decided to rise in their careers and changed jobs on H1. While they did rise, but lost in the grreencard PD race.

    So definitely luck pays its role.



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  • vinzen
    08-18 09:09 PM
    I usually just browse through these forums and I really appreciate the effort put in by the organizers. But this thread gave me an urge to respond and perhaps talk.

    First of all, SRK is just a normal human, not a God. The TSA has even questioned many American celebrities. SRK is just a guy with Khan as last name. TSA is not going to take chances and will make sure they do what is needed to protect America. And SRK probably acted like a monkey again and annoyed the TSA guys so they held him up for 2 hours. OK, just kidding. But thing is, Indian government if anything should take a lesson from it. In india if you are SRK or Sanjay Dutt, there are no lines for you..any where. Indians should get angry at that, not this that just happened in the USA. And for God's sake, why would you even want to sympathesize with a character like SRK who has destroyed the indian movie industry?

    Now don't tell me I am a traitor. I love India, I love America. I live in America because I like living in America and I have gotten used to the comfort and lifestyle. This doesnt mean that I hate India.

    And to the guy who thinks that americasn think Indians are slumdogs or thrid class citizens...please go to india and free up the line for the rest of us. Its your belief that they think you are a slumdog. Perhaps you come across that way to them. Indians are more notorious when it comes to "grading" people based on their color or status and if a few rednecks in America did this to you, don't stereotype the entire country.

    Enjoy the life. Life is good. In America and in India. Long wait for the GC? Yes it is a b**ch, but why have you rest your entire life on a decision by USCIS. Enjoy and take risks and blow your money on good things in life...even if you dont get the GC, on your flight back to India you will at least be proud of the fact that you enjoyed your stay in America. Go out, meet people, meet beautiful girls, eat good food, drink whiskey, watch movies, go hiking...so many things to do guys. And if you dont get the GC, tell your friends and family about the stuff you did in America.

    Don't ever be that Indian guy in the office. Be a smart global citizen.





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  • nogc_noproblem
    07-16 09:46 PM
    Even after seeing Aug �08 bulletin are you still saying that it is just a speculation? If that makes you happy - be happy, but unfortunately horizontal spill-over is the fact now. Let us wait and see whether it is a permanent approach or not.

    Let you be the master of INA law; give me the source where it says differently.


    This whole thread is speculation, your basic assumption itself is wrong. The horizonal spill over is not a permanent policy or trend which will be practised. You should read the INA law clearly. But if this speculation makes you happy, enjoy! :)



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  • sachug22
    09-15 01:53 PM
    Jerome and scchug22, Would you mind kindly reconcile or revela source.


    My data is for all approved PERM case all countries in 2005 (so is incomplete).





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  • andycool
    09-17 07:46 AM
    Here are the authentic numbers from FLCDataCenter.com (http://flcdatacenter.com/CasePerm.aspx)

    My analysis from those mdb files: (they are tricky because the data is for FY2005 while the priority date calculations we are doing are for the calendar year)

    calendar year 2005 ( received date between 3/19/2005 - 12/31/2005) = 8645
    year 2006 (rcv date between 1/1/2006 - 9/27/2006) = 15008

    after this it gets bad since the data has no receipt date, only certified date. my estimate is around 12000 for those 3 months of 2006.(total number of certified PERMs between 10/2/2006 - 03/31/2007 = 13873)

    total PERM approvals with PD between march 2005 and Dec 2006 ~ 37000

    If EB2 is 50%, we are talking ~19000, with an avg of 2.5 GCs per PERM, we need 47,500 GCs between Mar 05 and Jan 07.

    Good luck every one :(:D:mad:


    These numbers are not correct .....

    the total numbers of perm certified for india from March 2005 - March 2006 is ~ 11000 this includes all EB cases . I dont know how you got the number 37000 .

    this is from FLCDataCenter.com (http://flcdatacenter.com/CasePerm.aspx)
    Thanks



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  • Pegasus503
    02-13 10:51 AM
    I am curious,

    while searching the forum I found this thread tucked away under



    Immigration Voice > Immigration Voice Issues and Congressional updates > Sept 18th Rally: Car-pooling, Group Reservations for Air travel, hotel etc. > March VB is out!!!!!!!!!!



    it just seemed to be a strange folder structure for newbies to find....


    I'm not being critical, just confused





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  • illusions
    05-12 11:44 AM
    It looks like your half family does not know what is happening in the camps. Rather these thrown out media reporters know about that in detail.

    Oh..I forgot to mention all the people who are talking in this report are LTTE and supporters of LTTE.

    http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/grim+scenes+at+sri+lankan+camps+/3126257

    No, they know what's going on, everybody know it's not a picnic there in the North, I didn't say that they were un aware what was going on in the North, all i said they are fine where they are, please read what i said. It seems you are only looking at it from 1 angle.

    I'm not disputing what channel 4 reported, it's overwhelming for the govt to handle millions of IDP's and terrorists mixed up in 1 big bowl of soup. In any war situation there will always be cases of misconduct as it has happened in Iraq, Kashmir, Afghanistan etc.

    Oh and thanks for being sarcastic, it proves a lot.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-8349680,00.html?gusrc=gpd



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  • ItIsNotFunny
    06-15 09:33 AM
    To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

    Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

    In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

    In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.

    Just because you got lucky and got your GC sooner doesn't mean others are idiot.





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  • TeddyKoochu
    09-15 02:23 PM
    Here is what I researched and found out-

    From the data for India

    For Permanent applications 2004 => Reduction in Recruitment (EB2 cases)

    From 1 April 1004 to 16 August 2004 => 430 appox(All countries)

    No data from 17 August 2004 to 28 February 2005.

    From 01 March 2005 to 30 September 2005, For Level III- 263 For Level IV-271
    = 500 approx.

    For 01 October 2005 to March 2006, For Level III- 2500, Level IV-1770
    = 4300 approx.

    Now, of the GCs approved last Aug.08 and Sept.08 were from the Texas Service Center.

    That meant Atlanta Processing Center was the Labor Approval Center.

    So, For 01 October 2005 to March 2006
    For Level III- 1100, Level IV-770.

    So, total left = (2500-1100) + (1770-770) = 1400 + 1100= 2500

    Therefore toatl from 01 April 2004 to Mar. 2006=>

    430(2004) + 400(mystery number from 16 Aug. 04 to 01 March 2005) + 500(2005) +2500(2006)= 3900 principal applicants.

    Multiply by 2 for dependents = 7800 EB2 India pending before Mar. 06.

    Please comment on my analysis or feel free to ask questions.

    Correct me if Iam wrong I believe that the zone does not map directly to category, for those with bachelors only Zone - 5 maps to EB2, so most of level 3 and 4 that you mention could be EB3.



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  • HV000
    09-25 12:58 PM
    You also know what I am stating. You already have heard the word"Pre-adjudication" which means "To assign number" based on monthly bulletin based EB table dates and then put a file on shelf to eat dust till USCIS can "approve 485" /"Send Physical greencard" based on Prority date becomes active based on "country specific limit"

    If assigning number is almost equivalent to granting visa in a few days then there should not be hundreds of applicants waiting in "pre-adjudication" queue. We all know that many people have been pre-adjudicated and now they are just waiting for their physical GCs.

    Bharatpremi,

    I don't think pre-adjudicated cases get visa numbers. These cases are just waiting for visa numbers and they get visa number when dates are current. Getting a visa number is same as an approval.





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  • eager_immi
    02-12 10:46 PM
    only the uscis knows, maybe they need some h1bs to figure out the math :)



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  • amsgc
    12-19 07:32 PM
    Guys,

    I feel that we still do not have any concrete numbers on how many of us are still waiting for the I-485 approval.

    I propose we start a campaign where each member sends a letter to an IV PO Box with information that can be tracked and verified. I do not believe that a data base of anonymous unverifiable members can be presented as credible evidence to Senators, Reps, home builders associations etc. in support of our case.

    Some information can be:
    1. Phone number - Yes, if you are serious about this, then you better be willing to provide this information. No more anonymous BS.
    2. State, County and Zip Code
    3. Current Immigration Status
    4. I-140 approved: Yes/No
    5. I-485 pending: Yes/No
    6. Number of dependents
    7. Do you own a house: Yes/No
    8. Will you consider buying a house if GC is approved? Yes/No
    9. Profession
    10. Expected 2007 year Taxes - (1) State (2) Federal

    We can add more fields if needed.

    Now, this information can be presented in a numerous ways, for example:

    1) There are X number of applicants whose Immigrant petition has been approved, have paid $$$ in taxes, have bought houses and are actively contributing to the local community.

    2) There are X number of applicants in the nation whose Immigrant petition has been approved and they are waiting for their GC to buy a house

    2) There are X number of applicants in your state, who have paid $$$ in taxes, have their GC pending, and are willing to buy a house in your county when GC is approved


    I understand that there are two challenges here:
    1) Getting people to write to IV
    2) Collecting the data. I have some thoughts on this:
    - Perhaps we can have a PO Box for each region
    - We can have the state leader, and a couple of others go through this information
    - We could have a data base where this information can then be added. Or, just have an Excel spread sheet for each state, to start with. One could write a script to read the Excel worksheets and enter the information in a Postgres like data base.


    I think data collection and organization is doable. The hard part is getting the community involved.

    Any thoughts guys?





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  • vdlrao
    07-29 12:15 AM
    However, these students are not completely exempted from the H1B quota for each year. Whatever, if PERM filing in year 2008 has witnessed 46% drop since 2007 ... it tells us a lot.

    I presume the decrease in labour filing in 2008 might be a possibility due to the offshore Indian companies which shifting to H1B sponsorship instead of L1 sponsorship. Because most of the L1s being rejected with these companies recently. So they switching to H1 sponsorship. And obviously they normally dont sponsor GC. So this is just my thinking on why the labor filings decreased in 2008 compared to 2007.

    http://www.myvisajobs.com/reports/Sponsor/Top500_h1b_visa_sponsor_2005.pdf



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  • she81
    02-15 08:11 PM
    To all proponents of country quotas:

    Well, if there is a cap for GCs then there should also be a cap on the number of H-1Bs that can be taken up by a country. There should be a cap on the number of allowable F-1 visas to a country. There should be a cap on number of employees of a particular nationality in an organization. There should be a separate line for different nationalities in supermarkets. Fair? Happy?

    Btw, why is there no cap on H-1Bs or F-1s and only for GCs?





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  • sangmami
    06-28 06:22 PM
    Hi,
    I just talked to my lawyer and he said that anything is possible(midmonth/early week retrogression)..Lets hope for the best and prepare fr the worst.If u can ,just target to file ur application asap.Ifwe are in the state of denial and try to console ourselves saying that nothing will happen and if something happens who is at loss.So be happy that u have some clue and file as early as possible.For things that u have cntrol on try to speed up.GOD bless us all.
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  • STAmisha
    10-03 10:28 PM
    1. You need to submit original transcripts and notarised copies of degree certs

    2. I requseted my current employer to give it. I quoted that I need them for applying to university

    3. I did my pictures from wolf camera. I took the photo instructions to them. They made exactly like that.

    I just got my PR approved and I got my passports back with visas.





    Googler
    02-18 03:58 PM
    I do not understand why out of 205 people who voted yes, nobody has :

    1) Contacted an attorney with his own money if they are so interested?
    2) Nobody has agreed to become a plaintiff except Googler.

    Googler, why don't you lead this effort and become the plaintiff and get a lawyer to start filing a case? You can file a class action lawsuit on behalf of all immigrant community. Once you file the case people will thank you and appreciate your bravery.

    I do not think this lawsuit idea will go anywhere unless someone is willing to risk his greencard for it. Because once you become a plaintiff USCIS will review your case more thoroughly. Plus you need to get your employer on the same page for it. You also need to spend thousands of dollars from your own pocket to take part in your lawsuit.

    Another thing, I do not trust lawyers opinion in this matter unless a lawyer is a litigation lawyer. If a lawfirm is good at filing paperwork and filling applications, they cannot do a class action lawsuit. They may show interest in it for money and publicity. You need to get a litigation lawyer only for it.

    I've said this before but perhaps I'll have to say it many more times till it sinks in
    ... the thinking on this is at a VERY VERY VERY preliminary stage. In real life class action lawsuits, named plaintiffs are chosen based on how well they fit the argument in the case, not the other way round. As I said upthread, all those who want decisions, deals, money etc RIGHT NOW are being pretty unrealistic -- probably just because of unfamiliarity with the progress of cases like this. I know people want to be reassured that there is NO risk of losing, every decision node is mapped out, responsibility assigned, but if that is what anyone is thinking they have to rejigger their thinking. ;-)


    IV members should also be aware that all we need are a few named plaintiffs, it isn't as though every IV member or even everyone wanting to sue needs to be a named plaintiff. All the judge needs to recognize is that there is a large group of applicants with same or similar grounds for suing USCIS/Emilio Gonzalez. Edit to add: IV the organization doesn't even need to be the primary plaintiff, since that will necessarily cutoff any parallel discussion with the agencies. The IV forums are just a place to organize this.

    Internet, if you voted no, why are you so worked up about it? Nobody is about to make you do anything you don't want to do. Carry on with your life, this is not about to impinge you negatively. Why do you care what other people do with their time?

    For people who voted yes, it is worth thinking about what you are willing to do for the effort -- at present, all that is needed is an interest and willingness to read and do some research and THAT IS ALL. Read the two paragraphs I quoted above.

    As far as contacting attorneys and moving the ball forward, it is a time consuming process -- it isn't as though they call you right back with a draft brief and legal arguments. This is not an ordinary paperwork issue. It has after all been a grand total of 6 days since the poll was started on 2-12-08!! ;-)





    ita
    03-30 04:59 PM
    As far as I know...
    LIke you said India was just born and Nehru with full majority was heading the country . You know what he did he came up with Democratic-Socialistic model which is the hybrid of Communist-Socialist Russia,Democartic-Capatilistic U.S

    This Democratic-Socialism was never tried anywhere else in the world.It was the so called vision of Nehru(albeit cut-copy-paste).

    Interestingly explanation he gave for advocating his recipe was the same explanation you are giving for 'why it is difficult to rule India'

    He said since India is young country it needs gentle intervention from state to get rid of the existing social-economic disparities. His formula resulted in bureaucratic bottlenecks, red tape, widened existing socio-economic disparities ,gave rise to mafia culture and the list goes on making Nehruvian socialism synonymous to failure in Indian dictionary.His dynastic descendants tried to push it under carpet as long as they could .Result: we see people thinking Nehru was a visionary.

    Our own Intelligent MMS in 90's named Nehruviain Socialism a failure before he opened the reforms in the market.It is said that when P.V/MMS duo took charge they found that country's foreign exchanges reserves couldn't last for 24 hours.


    India is very difficult to rule. Thats why we outsource that. It is not a joke.

    Even after independence, Nehru had very strong majority goverment. Still he had a problems in ruling the country. He had lot of vision in economy, poverty, socialism etc.. But he and subsequent PMs (mostly congress) failed becuse of unimaginable local issues based on India's diversity and polygenious nature of the state. India is a victim of its own diversity and long/old (and strong) regional history. This diversity includes language, tradition, culture, food habit, religion, caste and so on. Therefore, India is victim of its own division and diversity. India is untied or born in 1947 because of British rule. Infact, there is no country called Republic of India before 1947. Indian constitution (or concept of united India) is brand new compare to regional history. Naturally, regional interest always prevails. So ruling India is still a new and uphill task. 60 years is very less to come to conclusion. Thats why, all congress PMs had failed in reforms. And now in the information age, India become materialistic, everybody wants everything. So naturally corruption increases. So one can not blame just congress alone for the mess.



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